Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Sept 1, 2003 10:00:49 GMT -5
Annoying for *a lot* of people. I guess there's no other way then huh? Just gotta post up a chapter and see if people bash me with baseball bats or not. You konw - it's just that I constantly give out reviews and stuff all the time and you'd think I'd be able to judge whether the reception for the fic is going to be good or not. I really want to know whether a self-insert fic is possible. I want to know whether you can create a story with a self-insert doing things you want to do that doesn't qualify as you being a Mary Sue doing cliched things. Oh well - got to get myself burnt to see whether it hurts right? *sigh* Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Sept 1, 2003 7:52:04 GMT -5
Had you read my first post which started this thread off, you'll realize that I'm trying to AVOID (yes, A-V-O-I-D) making a MS because I mind. I mind because everyone else can write one up in two minutes as well. It's not that very amusing to me because 'OCs' who join our favourite characters ineviatably all do the same thing. Excuse me if I fail to see the amusement. I was telling myself off for not being able to make the OCs NOT related to the main characters. Making them related very readily leads them into the firey pits of MSdom - and I don't want that. 'OCs' (note that I put them in quotations because I'm being sarcastic here) who are related to characters is just blatant wishfulfilment (isn't Killua cute! I wish I were his sister!) and to me is not so 'amusing' because everyone else has just about the same idea. Wow - to be just like 'everyone else' - how amusing. I take it you never visited the sites I recommended on how to deal with MS then? Whatever. I'll learn not to waste time like that in the future. Thank you. Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Sept 1, 2003 3:51:43 GMT -5
Yeah - lets hear it. Best to fix up the ideas now rather than to have to overhaul your fic after it's down on paper.
*mutters* still going to give my new fic a shot. Like I said - can an OC-dominated fic really be done or is that just wishful thinking on my part?
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 31, 2003 23:54:09 GMT -5
Yeah, the cliched opposite of cliches...yikes - that's going to be kinda tough. But no, I'm not going to be writing a humorous parody or anything so yeah...hopefully won't fall into any pitfalls there.
In relation to the centre of spotlight - yes, I'm trying to make the fic centered on the OC, meaning yes, she's going to be the driving force (*gulp*).
Is the OC therefore going to be the story? Yes (*gulps some more*)
Does the mean that the other characters are forgotten if they don't have anything to do with the OC? (*starts to sweat*) Yes.
Has everything to get attention? (*whew*) hopefully not.
Going to get all the attention (*whew*) I hope not.
Fragile so that bishies can save her? (*double whew*) she'd rather die than have help from a bishie!
Is this starting to look like a borderline MS in the making?!
Well, no pairings (me not romantic) but....I grudgingly that it's....well....okay, what the heck, self insert. It's going to be self insert - so my sister definitely won't read it (not that she reads fanfics anyway) and arrrrrghhhh! Self insert won't ruin the story will it?! I always say that it's got to go hand in hand with wish fulfilment!
Will there be wish fulfilment?
(*dreaded look of fear*) I don't know - can I give you an answer in a week?
Shucks....do you think this story needs to be put down before I've even got the chapter up?!
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 31, 2003 8:39:57 GMT -5
Can it be done?
The question that we all ask ourselves when we start a new fanfic. Well, I'm thinking about trying to start a third fic (Hunter x Hunter) and what's bothering me? I'm giving this OC-centered business a shot.
No, it's not a parody. I'm wondering if a fanfic can really be done where it is centered and told mainly (i.e. 98% of the time) from a new character's perspective.
Yes - I have seen a lot of failure - correction: I've only seen failures and I'm starting to wonder whether they really are failures, or whether OC-centered fics just don't work.
Well, I'm determined to try - I've got the prologue up and all but I'm taking a day or two off to think about the plot and future development.
In the meantime, does anyone have any warnings they'd like to give me? Pitfalls which turn OC-centered fics into hideously predictable MS fics? Please - I'd be glad to receive any reminders or opinions about why you think that most (or all) fics based on OCs suck.
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 22, 2003 22:10:51 GMT -5
Come Christmas holidays and everyone will be writing again ;D
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 22, 2003 9:46:32 GMT -5
Hey you two! Yes, Archangel and masami - what happened to your fic output?!
Yukitsu has joined the fanfic mailing list and she's been very active in providing lengthy opinions along the way. Get back to fic writing and critiquing! Hunter fanfics need you!
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Sept 3, 2003 0:57:57 GMT -5
How's the horror research coming along? Started compiling a list of chilling descriptions to frighten your readers with yet? Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 24, 2003 18:51:43 GMT -5
Well, yes, the author IS from America, so I guess arrogance, inability to communicate and ignorance didn't really surprise me. I think I don't mind if someone hates you for giving a bad review - it's only natural, but come on now, implied threats of violence? Over a bad review?
Puh-leaze, get a life!
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 24, 2003 6:57:11 GMT -5
Nope - you're right. Since the author is dead set on rejecting any constructive advice or opinion, there's nothing we can do but stand on the side lines and laugh. I've been at ff.net HxH section for about two years (Untitled was published in May 2002, but I was lurking around and was actually THERE when they established a HxH category) and have seen real flamers (quoll's wife anyone?) but I was so proud of all the authors that they reacted with maturity and dignity and after a few terse words, ignored the idiot flamer. But this author is a bloody disgrace, mouthing such foul, foul language. In all the time that I've been at ff.net, I've never seen someone with such a violent attitude - yes, his reply to Zamtre was not only racist but contained a THREAT OF VIOLENCE. Because her precious fic was criticized! Oh my god! The horror. So I'm proud - even of you Yumiko when you replied to Hades - because compared to her, you are extremely polite and civil. Anyway, I reviewed her fic anyway just to see what kind of reply I'd get - got a nice one...but the author didn't show that she had actually understood what my criticisms were about. Would you believe that she actually prefers one-line reviews?! The people at ff.net.... This author is worse than a flamer...and Zamtre wasn't even flaming! Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 23, 2003 20:45:57 GMT -5
Shite....maybe I should tone down my fic as well. I don't want to rate it R, because then it won't show up.... grrr....
But I wonder who made Neko-miko change her ratings. The actual story doesn't have any cussing at all - it was only in the review board. Still...not the most impressed by that one.
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 22, 2003 22:09:16 GMT -5
Not really...that dude's got some legitimate stuff to say but I'm appalled by Neko-Miko's reply. That was crude and offensive and I don't think we should have authors like that around, even if they have been badly criticized. Once ff.net feels like working again, I'm going to submit a report to ff.net. That kind of language is just not on, especially in a G-rated fic.
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Oct 22, 2003 9:44:15 GMT -5
New flamer at ff.net on the prowl at the HxH section...and it looks like it's indirectly my fault. Apparently, Hades has inspired someone to carry on with his crusade and has started to attack the Hunter fics. His name is Zamtre - and that guy's got quite a few things to say. Cross your fingers that it'll take him an eternity to get through the really bad hunter fics before he moves on to constructively criticize the others. On the plus side, he's reviewed my work and seemed to like it. Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 30, 2003 9:32:44 GMT -5
Um...that article was supposed to be sarcastic and cynical....? You're not supposed to take it seriously...? It teaches you to write those pointless flames?
Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 30, 2003 9:20:41 GMT -5
Oh - I read this article some time now from Writers University and just had to pin this up. I fully acknowledge that this is not mine and that I'm not reproducing the article for a commercial benefit and I fully acknowledge the author's ownership and copyright to their work. (from: writersu.s5.com/communication/flame03.html)10 Steps to Successful Flaming by Silver (Silver_Solitaire@bigfoot.com) 1. Don't read the story you're reviewing! This only costs precious time and might narrow your justified indignation and fervor. 2. Don't bother with spellign. Cuz when ur realy angry ppl cant expect u 2 take the tiem & think thru! They'll surely get the point anyway. Besides, everybody knows how difficult it is to type with only one hand. 3. Use exclamation marks generously! Only then slashers will truly feel the full extent of your wrath and become a muttering pile of shame!!!!!!!![snip]!!!!!!!![major snippage]!!!!!! 4. Don't worry when your finger gets tired. Everybody knows that the "!" is right above the "1" and nobody can expect you to press Shift all the time!!!!!!111 5. Use Caps Lock permanently! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GAIN THE ATTENTION AND RESPECT YOU DESERVE! 6. Bring your flame down to the point. "U SUX" is absolutely sufficient to show your expertise and authority. Any Flamee will drop to their knees and pledge immediate atonement in no time. 7. Don't bother to leave an e-mail address. Of course you and everybody else knows that you did the right thing and usually you have the guts to stand up for your beliefs, but who knows? This gay virus might creep through the phone wire and infect your files once you've drawn the attention to yourself! 8. Leaving a fake e-mail addy is always a bonus, though. Nobody would penetrate the ingenious feint of Fuck-you@I'm-not-telling-you.com and you can cackle joyfully at the prospect of another dirty Flamee composing a repentant reply in tears, only to find it returned to their inbox unread. 9. Always question the author's intelligence, talent, sexual orientation or right to live in addition to your flame, to give the point you're making more insistence. 10. Last, but not least, post your own fics right after a successful day of slash-roasting. After all, your stuff is perfectly straight, which already is justification enough to make it a damn good piece. So, no need to bother about spelling, grammar punctuation, characterization and plot. Leave that to those dodos who can't even *think* straight, let alone write it. All clear now?? THEN FLAME AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 Additional (serious) note: If you flame, flame well. You can't write anything we haven't heard before. So, at least be creative and original for once in your life!
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