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Post by M-Chan on Aug 3, 2003 0:30:31 GMT -5
BOYS HAV COOTIESS!! LOL
i consider a person cool if their more independent and they're able to establish themselves instead of following a certain crowd. like the popular crowd.. bleh
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Post by Archangel_Dream on Aug 3, 2003 0:43:21 GMT -5
Me, I don't like any of them. Period. Cooties? Ack!
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Fibby
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Post by Fibby on Aug 3, 2003 4:09:59 GMT -5
i think i'm in love... in love with myself, that is! hehe such a narcissist! XD
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Post by Archangel_Dream on Aug 3, 2003 7:15:28 GMT -5
That isn't bad. To love others, you gotta love yourself, right? Not that I'm an expert in THAT field. Lol! You almost had me shocked there.......thinking you're actually in love with someone else! ;D
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Post by Grau Ookami on Aug 5, 2003 12:32:10 GMT -5
I don't really hate myself, I just hate the way I look. Stupid preppies are always bothering me about it, which doesn't help. Sometimes they just mock me, but other times they try to get me to change my look, and wear make-up and stuff. I'm glad I'm not good looking though because I don't have any boy problems. Even the most perverted guys won't flirt with me. ;D Anyway, I have a few things to be proud of, I guess, and looks aren't everything. in love with myself, that is! hehe such a narcissist! XD[/quote]
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Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Sept 5, 2003 3:26:42 GMT -5
Simple solution ladies!
Low self-esteem comes from your desire to attract mainly the opposite sex, yet for various reason (namely the over-hyped body image), think that you're not going to be able to 'get a man' so to speak if you don't have the desired image plastered all over billboards and fashion magazines. You also think that the attraction will not be possible if you've been classified 'nerd', or 'bookworm' or any other term apt for 'social misfits'.
Solution?
Don't get the man.
Once you've freed yourself from this strange compulsion (or social imposition) that as a woman, you're nothing without a man (i.e. if you don't have one you've got problems), then you've got nothing to worry about.
Go to a party - will this dress make me look fat? Well, if you aren't concerned with whether the guys are going to form nice impressions about you or not, who gives a flying duck? Do I need to buy expensive cosmetics to patch up my face? No - because you don't feel the pressure of needing to look good for anyone but yourself anymore.
Vow not to get married: 6th year running. No signs of wavering.
Only drawback? --> No man = no children = no family = very lonely.
Oh well, I don't think much of humans anyway. Get the dog - they love you if you feed them and they don't subscribe to social perceptions of beauty and attraction.
Yomi
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Post by Silva Sun on Sept 5, 2003 4:20:13 GMT -5
Good opinion Yomi-san. You've got it smack bang, I reckon. And people do think that way. Nearly everyone. I have quotes to prove it. Countless quotes that basically say, "You're ugly and intelligent. You'll never snag a man."
It's kind of amusing, though. I got into an argument with a preppie and after half an hour of them telling me I sucked (And me refuting it all by saying that I didn't want to be shallow like them, or something similar) they told me something like this: (Keep in mind that this was via instant messanger)
Preppie: ur (You're) ugli (Ugly).
Preppie: ull (You'll) never get a b/f (Boyfriend).
Me: Why would I want one? Waste of time really.
Preppie: ur (You're) gonna (going to) die alone!
Me: Yup. That's the plan.
Preppie: ur sick
(Argh. That was annoying to write. I had to keep going back and correcting my "losers talk" (defined by the preppies at my school) and turn it to "MSN slang" (defined by me))
And then they told me to f*** a tree and blocked me.
Examples are fun.
The problem is, quite obviously, the media. They flaunt their digitally inhanced pictures of half naked women and tell us to be like them, and we'll immediately snag some intelligent, rich spunk, who will shower us with gifts.
And no where near enough people pick up that this logic is completely stupid.
Good looks, in my opinion, really don't make your life any more fufilling. Why would you rather get raped then acctually do something with your life?
Well, I don't know. And I'll bet the preppies don't know either.
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Post by Yomi on Sept 5, 2003 4:54:49 GMT -5
All I can say is - talking is easy, I can talk big - but doing it is tough.
Wanting to find a partner seems to be a natural instinct. Your hormones WANT you to find someone to snog.
Peer pressure and desire to get along with the crowd makes you want to be a part of them and not stand out.
It's nice rhetoric and all to say: you don't need them, you're better off without them, but truth is, sometimes, you do miss out a lot. I mean - what would it feel like to have a man by your side who you can depend on for the rest of your life? Can a dog really substitute human company? What harm is there in keeping in shape and look a little better in the process and spend a bit more on makeup to add more colour to your face?
That's the moderate me talking. Those are legitimate questions: must we sacrifice all other human company in pursuit of defeating low self-esteem?
Have you ever seen the reality tv show called "Bachelor"? Because that's exactly what it is - one rich bachelor gets to pick a woman out of...20? And he gets to smooch each one, check them out, endow them with diamonds etc until he selects the last one.
The women who enter are pathetic really. BUT (why are there always buts with me?) they have the right and are therefore entitled to choose that sort of lifestyle. I don't mind the magazines - I like looking at slim women and I would like to do more exercise to stay fit and incidentally look and feel good for myself. I would like to use Lancome makeup and Ralph perfume because these ARE nice things - it's just the intent behind them. I like to look and feel good for myself - don't ridicule me just because I happen to like shopping for fashionable clothes as well.
I just don't like men. And no, I'm not a lesbian.
So whether I look like a dag at uni, the worst fashion victim ever, doesn't really affect me in that it's turning guys away. We should all be a bit more selfish really - do it for yourself, not anyone else, and life should be a lot easier without the added complications of men.
Oh dearie me...I think I'm corrupting young minds.
I don't think women should be deterred from looking good or wearing revealing clothes because of the threat of rape though Silva Sun. Thankfully, the law is advanced enough to realize that wearing a short skirt at night is NOT an invitation, but common sense peoples - dress appropriately in the appropriate hours and areas for yourself. What's the use of getting the criminal convicted if you're already hurt. Yes, I know, it's unfair - being a woman is basically unfair - just be safe.
Yomi
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Post by Silva Sun on Sept 5, 2003 5:30:44 GMT -5
Mmm... It's annoying that because we don't like men, people automatically jump to the fact that we're lesbians. I've been openly accused of being a lesbian, which is very insulting, particularly when the teacher openy laughed at the suggestion.
Hn.
Things do get lonely if you don't have some sort of human companion. I say, dress like a dork, don't wear make-up, do what you want, and if some male comes and shows an interest in you, then you'll know that he's, perhaps, a little different to the rest of the herd.
I've heard of that show. I didn't watch it on principal. Just like I don't watch Australian Idol on principal.
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Post by Yomi on Sept 5, 2003 6:15:18 GMT -5
*gasp* Truth be told, all the top 40 competitors have amazing voices. Truly, they do, and some of them have never even taken lessons before - that's how bloody amazing they are.
However, the selection process has turned out some pretty....strange finalists. They should have left it to the judges all the way - because it's Dicko who has to market the finalist - better he choose than the ignorant pubilc who wouldn't know if someone sings well or not.
Marketing's brutal and cruel - you've got to have talent AND the looks - but hey, that's their stipulations. If you don't like it, there's always alternative music.
I won't laugh at women whose main aim in life is to find a dependable man. That's their choice and I'm not going to make judgements out of it. Lifestyle choices are something that I'm touchy about - because I don't want people to form opinions about my choice of life, I don't form opinions about others.
Well, I don't particularly feel good about dressing like a beggar though - I'd like to have some self respect for myself. Actually, I can't wait to get into a suit and wear it to work everyday. That's about the only thing to look forward to it seems.
And unfortunately, a lot of the world is based on image and impressions - you've probably done job interviews, so there's one example. Fact is, calling people shallow for judging you on appearance isn't going to help especially if there is a power disparity - again, with the job interview. Some people's opinion about us DO matter - which is unfortunate, but hey, I always said life was sucky, this is just another example.
Take care
Yomi
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Post by Silva Sun on Sept 5, 2003 17:28:26 GMT -5
No, thinking of people as shallow doesn't really help, but it does wonders to your self esteem. "Oh, I didn't get that job because the guy that was hiring me was looking for a pretty face that would come running to him with questions all the time". Not that I've acctually had a job interview, but I generally know what happens.
I don't like reality TV shows. At all. My mother was obsessed with Big Brother a couple of months ago. She'd SMS me during the day, telling me what was happening in the house. And I deleted them all. I suppose it promotes, I dunno, unity between bobby or susie lovers. I just think it's annoying. BRING BACK "DON'T FORGET YOUR TOOTHBRUSH!"
Oy-vey.
Well, I have to go. Performing today.
Ta.
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Post by Yomi on Sept 5, 2003 19:58:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately, that's not what the boss is actually thinking about when they want to see a pretty, or at least presentable and respectable face. I should know - my mum does sales and when she hires someone, she wants to hire someone who will spend an effort looking decent. Think about it this way - an interview goes much smoother if your future boss is comfortable looking at you and is impressed with your presentation. Do impressions count? Most of the time no. The other times, yes. Hey! I know who you sound like! I had Optus cable once, and they showed this cartoon called "Daria." Probably where my disrespect towards other fellow humans came from Yomi
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Post by Fibby on Sept 5, 2003 21:22:55 GMT -5
The Bachelor. Ugh I hate that show! Women fighting for one guy sickens me. Especially in reality! talking is easy - but doing it is toughThis is sad but so true. I have this belief that men are scum (my family background would explain it.) But I find myself caring what they think of me. >_<; or maybe I'm a spider trying to catch a prey. Either way, the fact still disgusts me.
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Post by Calliston on Sept 20, 2003 13:48:05 GMT -5
Why CAN'T women fight over men? If the guy's attractive you and you geniunely like him go for it.
And you can't always just jump to the conclusion that low self-esteem comes from not being able to attract the opposite sex. What if it's not them telling you that you're ugly? Honestly people, think out of the box. Low self-esteem comes from people point-blank telling you you're not worth while. What on EARTH does it have to do with men?
EVERYTHING in your life is affected by your self esteem, from the way you act, to the way people treat you, to who are, really. I
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