Silva Sun
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Post by Silva Sun on Aug 24, 2003 5:36:16 GMT -5
This has gotten to the point of being just plain stupid.
One of you, either forgive and forget or admit that you're either assusing without much evidense, or that you did flame.
Honestly, I don't think Yumi is stupid enough to leave her username on an anoymous review when flaming. If she did do it, then she would have just said "For my own health, I'm staying annoymous" or something.
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Yumiko
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Post by Yumiko on Aug 24, 2003 5:41:45 GMT -5
ohh I'm not angry at Alzie I'm just trying to prove my point so Alzie you don't have to apologize to me, but sorry if I offended you.
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azile
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 6:12:21 GMT -5
Mighty coincidence there Misty-san. that means that this 'someone' has not only been watching the arguments between yumiko and hades, but has also been keeping note of yumiko's fixation for review numbers at this forum, at her profile at ff.net and also been following her reviews throughout the hunter category? wow, that's a lot of homework. who else have you offended yumiko? i mean really offended because this guy has obviously gone to great, great lengths to frame you. Yumiko: how can i apologize to someone who has never addressed me properly? learn to spell my name right. and you didn't offend me - i was just appalled by your behaviour. pity you cannot offer any other 'evidence' to prove your innocence ('take it or leave it' is so unconvincing), so you'll go to sleep tonight knowing that a lot of people think the way i do. thanks for the chat peoples. i think i'll go back to...that term they use: lurking at ff.net again.
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Fibby
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Post by Fibby on Aug 24, 2003 7:16:23 GMT -5
well, that was... and i agree with silva. the entire argument was stupid. for one thing, a little reality check please. we are dealing with the I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T here. we may never know the truth. for all we know, it was probably someone's idea of a practical joke. from what I see, practically everyone knows about their little quarrel. just think of how easily that review could've been made by another person! but personally, i think the idea of someone "stalking" Yumiko-san is a wee bit paranoid, doncha think? don't attach meaning to such feeble evidence please (by this i mean the idea of the 'anonymous person' copying Yumi's way of reviewing.) it could be purely coincidental! oh. and another thing. if Yumiko really did want to flame 'anonymously' (since she knows ppl might flame her for it,) then why did she use her penname? ^^; (if you're still reading this, azile-san, please consider that.) Yumiko: i know this is hard to do but i think you should just ignore what all those ppl say. you might not be able to convince them that you didn't do it, but rest in the idea that only you know the truth. if they keep on alleging things that is NOT true [and i have no idea what the truth is. i don't really know you that well] then just giggle to yourself or something. (it could be fairly amusing if you're a sadist. ^^; )
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azile
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 8:39:53 GMT -5
just think of how easily that review could've been made by another person! but personally, i think the idea of someone "stalking" Yumiko-san is a wee bit paranoid, doncha think? don't attach meaning to such feeble evidence please (by this i mean the idea of the 'anonymous person' copying Yumi's way of reviewing.) it could be purely coincidental!
hello..Fibby. yes, i did think about the coincidence factor before i stepped in, but it's because this 'coincidence' factor was just too strong that to me (and it seems to a dozen other people) that it is not mere coincidence. the 'paranoia' theory, if you follow the argument, is the only alternative to the flame not being written by yumiko. i certainly think the stalking is far-fetched...so does that mean that yumiko only has a far-fetched defence? in that case, i take it you agree with me then?
oh. and another thing. if Yumiko really did want to flame 'anonymously' (since she knows ppl might flame her for it,) then why did she use her penname? ^^; (if you're still reading this, azile-san, please consider that.)
where did you get the idea that yumiko wanted to flame 'anonymously'? she's made very clear already what she thinks of yomi/hades. you've seen it for herself in those emails she wrote to him. in those emails, she insulted him personally when all he did was criticize her work. in the flame, she wanted to insult him back for his critique of her fanfic and her OCs, otherwise what is the point of being an anonymous flamer if hades doesn't know it's going to be her expressing her anger at him? that's why she used her own pen-name.
she probably thought that other people will agree with her and support her because a lot of other writers been insulted by yomi as well. i mean, look at the posts on this forum - she turned everyone's attention to his website, hoping that they'd all agree that hades was one big meanie, but when people started to think that he was ok, she realized that she was sidelined. on a number of other occassions, she continually pointed out that hades was being mean to her, hoping that her friends would agree. then, on page 7 (?), she posted yet again a mean reply from hades, hoping to sway her friends' opinion of him yet again, without success. if she can't get support here, i don't see how the next step onto ff.net is illogical.
as an outsider, all i see is one girl constantly trying to attract pity and sympathy from all the other people by her actions. i mean, afterall, her friends are here and if someone is mean to her, aren't they supposed to give her comfort and support? when that didn't work (because a lot of people seem to think hades is an ok guy and didn't swear at him for his reviews), she took it to ff.net but probably to her surprise suffered counter effects. then she cried denial so she wouldn't look bad. i took a quick glance at the fics at ff8 where this 'false' yumiko supposedly flamed as well, but i can't find any. maybe once i do, i might have a different view on this matter, but it is just 'too' coincidental that 'someone' has been able to perfectly imitate yumiko's style of reviewing - right down to her personal views and value judgements. perhaps those new flames for u don't need to know are just deliberate fabrications to lead us off track. i don't know - but i do know that yumiko is very much capable of lying, 'two-faced' as hades called it, but if one day i'm ever proved wrong, i'll definitely apologize, but i don't think that day will come too soon.
that's all i have to say on this matter. perhaps i'm being overly paranoid by these amazing coincidences, or perhaps i'm just looking into the face of a very good liar.
cheers peoples, no matter which way you look at it, it's still a sad day for ff.net.
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Fibby
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Post by Fibby on Aug 24, 2003 19:40:08 GMT -5
i'm just being objective here. maybe she did do it, maybe she didn't. but then, i do not see the point of further 'harassing' (excuse the term) Yumiko about it. so i feel it's about time to leave this subject be. what's done was done. no matter how long we plan to discuss this, there is still the probability factor and we may never get a conclusion unless someone fesses up the truth. i'm sure everyone agrees with me on that.
[um.. azile-san. why do i get this odd feeling i was able to correspond with you before?]
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Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 24, 2003 20:10:20 GMT -5
ELIZA?! What are you doing here! Argh - lemme deal with my own problems ok? God damnit, I saw this kind of stuff happening when I decided to let my alter ego take over my website, so don't think I'm a helpless sitting duck.
Sorry Fibby, Yumiko. Liz is one of my friends at Uni who has only recently caught onto Hunter x Hunter and subsequently, its fanfiction. We do the same course and all, so if she's starting to sound like a paranoid lawyer like I do half the time, it's because we've both been tainted. In the future, I'll no longer be able to write fics, only dry jargon that a select few in society can understand. Whoop dee doo.
None the less, I appreciate your concern Liz, but I think you have it wrong. That's why I'm going to clear this up since I've been given more circumstantial evidence than you have to consider. I've found one flame from the imposter already but unfortunately for him, he did not inherit my propensity to be wordy and my inability to get to the point in five words. Furthermore, I've set myself strict guidelines in my website and I've got a list of reviews to show how I really flame. They all demonstrate that I go for the substance of the story and am very specific, not to mention that I don't fail to give explanations for statements like: you have a MS.
That being the case, since I've also be targetted, the likelihood that the unsigned Yumiko1 is an imposter has been considerably heightened. I've also made a note of warning on my profile - in case anyone should want to track 'me' down to wreak vengeance. I suggest you do the same as well Yumiko - it doesn't hurt to put it up. Now I'm waiting for the list of fanfics that 'I' have flamed so that I can send a personal note to the authors to patch things up and sort out the misunderstandings.
Take care peoples.
Yomi
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Yumiko
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Post by Yumiko on Aug 24, 2003 21:07:22 GMT -5
she probably thought that other people will agree with her and support her because a lot of other writers been insulted by yomi as well.
like what Fibby said this is the INTERNET! How would you know I'm doing that? What proof do you have that I'm trying to get sympathy from others, what proof do you have that 'I' flamed those fics, even if you say there IS proof they aren't 'solid' proof.
she insulted him personally ok...I never insulted him, I never said 'oh Hades ur a big fat stupid idiot I hate you, you're a retard!' if you look closely at my replys to Hades, there's no name-calling in it.
Yomi: yea that's what i did i put a note in my profile thing. HOpe they'll believe -_-
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azile
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 21:50:44 GMT -5
oh - oops, sorry yomi, but i know how you tend to ignore these sorts of people and let them do whatever they want to hurt you. i guess i spoke too quickly. in which case, i have to say sorry to yumiko about some things i said, but that doesn' tmean i still don't believe the other things that hades has made out.
like what Fibby said this is the INTERNET! How would you know I'm doing that? What proof do you have that I'm trying to get sympathy from others, what proof do you have that 'I' flamed those fics, even if you say there IS proof they aren't 'solid' proof.
i'm trying to understand you here, but you seem to be going on about two things. how do i know you try to get sympathy from others? that's not very hard. i just look at all the comments that you make on this forum and especially in this topic. perhaps you don't know that you're doing it, perhaps it's a subconscious thing. i don't do psych so i can't tell but i just read your posts and come to my own conclusions.
and now that yomi says you haven't flamed, then i guess i won't pursue the matter anymore. but to me, it seemed logical that if you're a sympathy-seeker here, you'll be one at ff.net as well, and always trying to get over 20 reviews or something for your fics. i guess i was mislead by this amazing coincidence.
ok...I never insulted him: ok yomi, this one i'm NOT leaving to you because she obviously doesn't understand her own shameful actions. read your own replies to hades: you accused him of being immature, implied that he was a loser because he's such a grumpy fic critic, implied that he had no life and spent it glued to the computer, gloated over the fact that he probably didn't have as many friends as you and what else...nope, you were generally rude to him. that's an insult. he insulted your fic but you took it too personally and sad bad things about him.
now i'm starting to see why hades thought he was banging his head on a brick wall. i think i'll leave this task back to him (but seriously yomi, isn't hades just you anyway?).
azile
ps - yomi: don't you think this 'jaze' person sounds a lot like jason? you have told a couple of us that you were redoing your old fic.
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Yumiko
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Post by Yumiko on Aug 24, 2003 23:07:52 GMT -5
ok i'm not even gonna bother to argue with you. How many times have I said I was SORRY??!?!?! and here's the LAST time i'm gonna say this.....
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BELIVE ME
I don't know why you bought up the subject of me and Hades fighting, because previously this was about me and the 'yumiko1'
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Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 25, 2003 0:19:14 GMT -5
Aiya! Why'd it have to come to this?! I can see where Liz is coming from and she's given me a glimpse of her great mooting spirit yet again, but I've already made her promise to not post here again on the threat that I'm not going to lend her my YYH DVDs ( ) Yumiko: She was just saying that because of your fight with my alter ego, you had a motive to write the flame. But I've shown Liz the other flame that was supposedly written by me, so she's promised not going to say anything else. Hey, at least she believes that you didn't write that flame. I've also decided to get rid of it - it was starting to brew up some nasty feelings so better take out the trash before the stink ruins everything. Do you have anything to say about my review of your fic at the HxH Mailing List? If you've made changes/editions to your fic since, again, please drop a note at the group and help to keep it alive. Yomi ps - Jaze = Jason?! Not in a million years! - that guy would look at the number of words in my fic and demand that he be paid to make comments on it. And besides, he's too old for anime and fanfics, though I admit it does sound a bit like him. Might pass a note on to him tonight to find out.
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Yumiko
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Post by Yumiko on Aug 25, 2003 0:23:29 GMT -5
Is the HXH ML dying or something? lol ok I'll post something hhehe that's why my yahoo email isn't flooding anymore ^^;;
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Yomi
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Post by Yomi on Aug 25, 2003 0:27:38 GMT -5
Nah - not dying, just overly quiet ever since Cherrie became unwell coupled with her mounting school pressures. In fact, just about everyone has school pressures so fics, much less reviews, have died down to a trickle.
To keep it alive, write everything that you want to say and send it to the group. Usually, after a review, there are a couple more emails back and forth discussing certain points. For example - if you didn't agree with something or you're asking for ways in which your idea could be expressed without sounding contrived and whatnot - just post a message and that'll start up a discussion. Reading and reviewing is fun. Participate! ;D
Yomi
Btw, did you have trouble reading the word document or anything? the font and borders and colours all ok?
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Yumiko
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Post by Yumiko on Aug 25, 2003 0:35:46 GMT -5
there i just posted. No everything was readble meehhh...the only people I know in there is Masami and Yomi ^^;;
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Post by M-Chan on Aug 25, 2003 0:50:44 GMT -5
i'm glad you guys keep this thread respectable, but honestly thought that the arguement was stupid... anyways.. i'm glad too see that Yomi has joined our board! ^^
hey yomi? do you mind reading some of my fics?
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