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Post by azile on Oct 18, 2003 21:37:02 GMT -5
hmmm maybe ff.net just deletes the story and not the account? and lordy the pretense she still carries - a poem! yeesh, who does she think she is? and she has never apologized - if she did, she would not have so stubbornly kept yomi's title . bah - she'll probably just come back with another account in a month or two anyway. cowards tend to do that. azzy
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Post by azile on Oct 18, 2003 4:38:50 GMT -5
;D visited fanfiction.net last night or was it the night before (mind getting messed up with the studying) but just a quick note that the efforts of a few anonymous reviewers at ff.net has made the ejection of the copycat possible.
just so you guys know who this wonderfully helpful person is, his/her name was kennie and his/her sister. boy did she make sousakaice look like a flustering moron. you should have been there in her dying moments when she tried to explain how her title, the one she blatantly ripped, was 'relevant' to her story. never came up with a reasonable answer, so that just goes to show what a truthful little girl she is.
anyhow, i also heard from yomi that she found that another part of the fic had also been copied so she reported it straight away to ff.net. she told me it had something to do with the flashback scene - the story is pretty vague in my mind now - but i think i remember sousakaice trying to fob it off as a cliche. well, apparently not.
her being gone makes the hunter section a cleaner place again. rejoice all!
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Post by azile on Oct 2, 2003 21:22:09 GMT -5
I saw it after reading Yomi-san's story, and I just saw half of it, so I was thinking, why did Yomi-san post up her story twice? But then, I saw a different story inside. *sighs*
my friend would be glad to hear that other people think like she does. in fact...2-3 more people who have reviewed also think like she does. this guy kennie asked what the title means to the story, and guess what, it has no meaning for the story. goodness, i've never seen such a stubborn liar before.
Well, the 'author', IceMaster, she IS capable of writing original stories. But then, she gave us a negative image by copying someone else's story.
unfortunately, here's where you are wrong. it's not wrong to copy because it gives you a 'negative image' - just as you should never feel the urge to shoplift, the mere thought about taking someone else's work should not even cross your mind, not even for one small second. for copycats, we're angry, well, i'm angry, about the dishonesty that they have for even plagerising another work in the first place. and she aint understand this point - because she aint see copying as dishonesty, which is simply tragic.
she is capable? how do you know this? by writing parodies of songs? that's barely legal, let alone original because the lyrics are already there for you to spin, meaning that you didn't really have to come up with groundwork.
i won't talk more about this author otherwise it will run down into a bitchfest, but as per the title masami, you could leave her a review as well telling her just how 'coincidental' and 'similar' her title is. who does she think she's trying to fool with the miraculous coincidence?
as for the first copycat i encountered, she lamented on about how you can't even share ideas anymore. that made me laugh. had her fic still existed, i could have directed you to the original, and we can all see that she lifted much, much more than the idea.
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Post by azile on Oct 2, 2003 5:41:09 GMT -5
i thought this topic deserves a thread of its own. i'm currently seeing one of the most abominable crimes in writing - yes pplz, i'm talking about stealing from other people's work. www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1525879is this a thread to bitch? not really - but this author is an example just how despicable the act of plagerism is. and wow, she doesn't even regret doing it. this is probably my second copycat that i've seen. the first one had the story deleted by ff.net, for which i'm glad but if flamers peeve you people off, turn your anger towards the people who copy and steal. copying is just not on. azzy
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Post by azile on Oct 19, 2003 2:33:18 GMT -5
to be honest with you, at first I wasn't angry when I saw your postingwell, i saw ' ' so i naturally assumed you were angry. otherwise i don't understand why else you would use it. care to come up with a lame explanation? Yaoi in shounen manga is more into fan creation, unlike yaoi that were purely came from manga/anime yaoi.lets draw another distinction then: how can you say that a person who only likes a certain select pairing - e.g. HisokaxIllumi - but is completely turned off by specifically yaoi manga like gravitation still be considered a yaoi lover? that was your intial gross generalization that i see you furiously back pedalling away from with baseless, bordering on derogatory statements such as: Hmm, great. 'coz Illumi looks like a girl so we can consider him as a girl.... excuse me, but when did you become the god of interpretation? everyone has their own treatment and consideration of a character from anime. A debate between yaoi vs non-yaoi fandoms always been dreadful, but I'm not that fanatic to fight you, so I'll stop here.rubbish! this was never an argument about yaoi vs non-yaoi. you made a gross generalization that anyone who so much as supports one male/male pairing is a yaoi lover...but when you have absolutely nothing to say about the visual aspects of a pairing between a male and a woman-looking man who might as well be a woman...well, that just made you look very silly. now you know never to make accusatory generalizations like that ever again. especially since you have someone like masami saying: i only support one pairing but reject absolutely everything else and do not consider myself to be a yaoi fangirl. we're not even saying that it's HisokaxIllumi is not yaoi - gees, plz, if you ever get into a discussion again, try to READ ppl's posts carefully before you embarrass yourself like that. geesuz what a waste of my time. azzy ps: Probably they paired the bishies because of their good looks, but some of them also paired them up in the base of their nature, such as why opposite attracts famous in the yaoi community. again, another demonstration of your inability to read perhaps? i specifically mentioned this in my prior post and you're repeating it... note to self: futility is born from ignorance, wilful blindness and a general lack of intelligence.
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Post by azile on Oct 19, 2003 0:43:04 GMT -5
seriously lunatic, i don't know why you're getting angry here. if you can't hack the debate, say so before we end up with another yomi/fibber disaster.
*cough* I know exactly what they mean with bishounen, thank you very much... you could still see the 'shounen' word to know that they were actually boys and NOT girls.
my point was that people could easily mistake such pretty males as female. that is probably what the author/drawer intended. realistically, men do NOT look like women, therefore the intentions behind creating a 'male' with womanish traits and personality and features were that the audience should treat the 'man' as a woman...yet he merely carries the title of 'man' - yes, the intention and objective is highly artificial. perhaps having female fighters in a boy's comic is a taboo hence the 'bishounen' came along as a poor substitute. who knows - fact is, a bishounen is visually a girl and all i've heard from select male/male pairing fans (such as masami and my friend yomi) are how 'cute' a couple look together. their selection of coupling is based entirely on the visual experience. as to framing couples based on character compatibility, i see that as the domain of the tru yaoi fan. that's just my distinction and i believe i have reasonably explained it.
I'm just saying, if people know in the end that the one that they thought as a girl is actually a boy, could they still have the same perspective as before? You judge it by yourself..
yup. they could. yomi told me that she thought in all seriousness that illumi was a woman when she first saw him, and that impression has been stuck with her since. oh, that's right, illumi's voice actor is also a woman, his movements are femininely graceful and his chioce of colour (pink, maroon) is questionable.
I never heard his Jap seiyuu before, but I read somewhere that it was Nakahara Shigeru,
please do your research - everyone knows that kurama's japanese voice actor is a woman by the name of Ogata Megumi. Nakahara is kurama in his demon form and lets be honest, he doesn't come out that often. but we're not here to discuss the fact that you didn't see kurama as a girl. that was merely an example which obviously doesn't apply to your particular situation.
it seems like you have only glanced through my post, so blinded were you by your anger. go back and read it carefully again. we're talking about different things here and i do not wish to entertain a futile debate.
azzy
[Edit: found the name]
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Post by azile on Oct 18, 2003 4:43:46 GMT -5
lunatic, you're seriously mistaken dude. consider the trend in the androgynous design of males - the 'bishounen' (learned that term yesterday!). a person new to or unfamiliar with anime could recognize a lot of these boys as girls - such as kurama from yyh. even the voice actors for these 'male' characters are women half the time. that just says a lot about the mindset of the authors who created them. they're actively trying to turn a man either into a gay man, or just a man with overly womanish traits but just not a woman. from the visual perspective, characters like illumi and kurama look a LOT like women, hence the visualization of them with another man (a physically looking male) naturally stirs up ideas. if you can say 'they look good together'/'they are photogenic together' to any yaoi coupling, it's probably what the drawer originally had in mind.
so the fact that people only like one or two couples and feel repulsed by the rest of yaoi fandom does not mean they like yaoi - they like the visual representation.
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Post by azile on Oct 18, 2003 4:48:40 GMT -5
noooooo...read the latest chapter to Definition and it is not a happy chapter at all!!!! i think everyone needs to write a mary sue to get it out of their system, but i hope that they don't publish it on the net. the qualification to that would be unless their mary sue story has very good english and well planned and plotted. a piece of literature with poor characters is still not a good story, but better than a script fic none the less. to silent angel - i hope there are no hard feelings for the review that i gave your story that you linked up. it's just that from your honest description of the fic alone you could tell it was a mary sue. try going to yomi's links section or just surf the net yourself. there are plenty of sites on how to make good characters. azzy
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Post by azile on Sept 21, 2003 9:55:25 GMT -5
i got to read the finished product at fanfiction.net (The Definition of our Existence) and i lament. you guys don't know her, but i do, and kayle is just soooo her that it's getting too personal for me, like i'm reading her most private thoughts that she's translated into a story. and once again, predictably too, it's starting to look morbid and depressing. have you guys also read Hunter Works? it started out light-hearted and her best attempt at being humorous but look how fast the story has taken a plunge down the dark end. have you guys actually listened to the classical music pieces that she recommends at the naxos site? it's melancholic, depressing music. that girl is seriously moody and in need of help. pity that i'm no good with creative stuff and can't give her any helpful reviews. well, one reviewer is turned off by the created character already. i wonder if the fic will be successful then. azzy
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 21:50:44 GMT -5
oh - oops, sorry yomi, but i know how you tend to ignore these sorts of people and let them do whatever they want to hurt you. i guess i spoke too quickly. in which case, i have to say sorry to yumiko about some things i said, but that doesn' tmean i still don't believe the other things that hades has made out.
like what Fibby said this is the INTERNET! How would you know I'm doing that? What proof do you have that I'm trying to get sympathy from others, what proof do you have that 'I' flamed those fics, even if you say there IS proof they aren't 'solid' proof.
i'm trying to understand you here, but you seem to be going on about two things. how do i know you try to get sympathy from others? that's not very hard. i just look at all the comments that you make on this forum and especially in this topic. perhaps you don't know that you're doing it, perhaps it's a subconscious thing. i don't do psych so i can't tell but i just read your posts and come to my own conclusions.
and now that yomi says you haven't flamed, then i guess i won't pursue the matter anymore. but to me, it seemed logical that if you're a sympathy-seeker here, you'll be one at ff.net as well, and always trying to get over 20 reviews or something for your fics. i guess i was mislead by this amazing coincidence.
ok...I never insulted him: ok yomi, this one i'm NOT leaving to you because she obviously doesn't understand her own shameful actions. read your own replies to hades: you accused him of being immature, implied that he was a loser because he's such a grumpy fic critic, implied that he had no life and spent it glued to the computer, gloated over the fact that he probably didn't have as many friends as you and what else...nope, you were generally rude to him. that's an insult. he insulted your fic but you took it too personally and sad bad things about him.
now i'm starting to see why hades thought he was banging his head on a brick wall. i think i'll leave this task back to him (but seriously yomi, isn't hades just you anyway?).
azile
ps - yomi: don't you think this 'jaze' person sounds a lot like jason? you have told a couple of us that you were redoing your old fic.
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 8:39:53 GMT -5
just think of how easily that review could've been made by another person! but personally, i think the idea of someone "stalking" Yumiko-san is a wee bit paranoid, doncha think? don't attach meaning to such feeble evidence please (by this i mean the idea of the 'anonymous person' copying Yumi's way of reviewing.) it could be purely coincidental!
hello..Fibby. yes, i did think about the coincidence factor before i stepped in, but it's because this 'coincidence' factor was just too strong that to me (and it seems to a dozen other people) that it is not mere coincidence. the 'paranoia' theory, if you follow the argument, is the only alternative to the flame not being written by yumiko. i certainly think the stalking is far-fetched...so does that mean that yumiko only has a far-fetched defence? in that case, i take it you agree with me then?
oh. and another thing. if Yumiko really did want to flame 'anonymously' (since she knows ppl might flame her for it,) then why did she use her penname? ^^; (if you're still reading this, azile-san, please consider that.)
where did you get the idea that yumiko wanted to flame 'anonymously'? she's made very clear already what she thinks of yomi/hades. you've seen it for herself in those emails she wrote to him. in those emails, she insulted him personally when all he did was criticize her work. in the flame, she wanted to insult him back for his critique of her fanfic and her OCs, otherwise what is the point of being an anonymous flamer if hades doesn't know it's going to be her expressing her anger at him? that's why she used her own pen-name.
she probably thought that other people will agree with her and support her because a lot of other writers been insulted by yomi as well. i mean, look at the posts on this forum - she turned everyone's attention to his website, hoping that they'd all agree that hades was one big meanie, but when people started to think that he was ok, she realized that she was sidelined. on a number of other occassions, she continually pointed out that hades was being mean to her, hoping that her friends would agree. then, on page 7 (?), she posted yet again a mean reply from hades, hoping to sway her friends' opinion of him yet again, without success. if she can't get support here, i don't see how the next step onto ff.net is illogical.
as an outsider, all i see is one girl constantly trying to attract pity and sympathy from all the other people by her actions. i mean, afterall, her friends are here and if someone is mean to her, aren't they supposed to give her comfort and support? when that didn't work (because a lot of people seem to think hades is an ok guy and didn't swear at him for his reviews), she took it to ff.net but probably to her surprise suffered counter effects. then she cried denial so she wouldn't look bad. i took a quick glance at the fics at ff8 where this 'false' yumiko supposedly flamed as well, but i can't find any. maybe once i do, i might have a different view on this matter, but it is just 'too' coincidental that 'someone' has been able to perfectly imitate yumiko's style of reviewing - right down to her personal views and value judgements. perhaps those new flames for u don't need to know are just deliberate fabrications to lead us off track. i don't know - but i do know that yumiko is very much capable of lying, 'two-faced' as hades called it, but if one day i'm ever proved wrong, i'll definitely apologize, but i don't think that day will come too soon.
that's all i have to say on this matter. perhaps i'm being overly paranoid by these amazing coincidences, or perhaps i'm just looking into the face of a very good liar.
cheers peoples, no matter which way you look at it, it's still a sad day for ff.net.
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 6:12:21 GMT -5
Mighty coincidence there Misty-san. that means that this 'someone' has not only been watching the arguments between yumiko and hades, but has also been keeping note of yumiko's fixation for review numbers at this forum, at her profile at ff.net and also been following her reviews throughout the hunter category? wow, that's a lot of homework. who else have you offended yumiko? i mean really offended because this guy has obviously gone to great, great lengths to frame you. Yumiko: how can i apologize to someone who has never addressed me properly? learn to spell my name right. and you didn't offend me - i was just appalled by your behaviour. pity you cannot offer any other 'evidence' to prove your innocence ('take it or leave it' is so unconvincing), so you'll go to sleep tonight knowing that a lot of people think the way i do. thanks for the chat peoples. i think i'll go back to...that term they use: lurking at ff.net again.
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Post by azile on Aug 24, 2003 5:07:53 GMT -5
No I DID not to that, I amd NOT angry at Hades anymore. I never ever read Yomi-san's fic, never in my life except for the first few paragraphs but I didn't continue reading it.
i don't know - it's just what you say. all i see is you saying how mad you are only a few days ago and then two or three days later, you flame yomi. coincidence?
and yeah, i know you didn't read the fanfic because your flame was obviously not concerned about the story.
True I mentioned things about numbers of reviews in Masami and Reis's reviews but they are ENCOURAGING reivews.
so just how hard would it be for you to turn encouring reviews into discouraging ones? especially when it concerns the number of reviews. since you think that a fic with lots of reviews is a story that's 'doing well', then how hard is it to turn it upside down and say to a fic with not many reviews that it isn't doing well?
Yes I am hopeless at capitalizing letters when I write reviews and casual stuff. The 1 is part of my name because of ff.net's new policy. Yes he/she HAS flamed other people's story like 'u don't need to know's fic 'Road to Hell' and some other ones in ff8 section. So Alzie-san please do some research before you put these comments down.
well what do you know, you are capitalizing and using full stops properly, but only a few messages ago you were using poor grammar. is this proof then that you are capable of writing that flame. and yes, i was aware of 'u don't need to know' telling you off so it wouldn't surprise me if you went back to one of her (?) fics to flame her too.
I am DEEPLY sorry that I emailed those childish comments to Hades. And I don't care if any of you belive it anymore, that is your problem.
you're deeply sorry not because you might have hurt hades' feelings. you're sorry because now he's got material to make you look stupid. there's a distinction you know.
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Post by azile on Aug 23, 2003 23:13:47 GMT -5
um...hello? i'm new here and i only signed up because i really wanted to talk to this yumiko person, to see whether she really came up with that shallow flame or not.
yumiko-san? you don't know me because i follow fics at ff.net and have never reviewed. but i have to agree with kitty-san - you did a really bad thing and you're not owning up to it and denying it because it didn't have the response you expected. you were probably expecting people to join in with you because yomi/hades has been so harsh to all these fics at ff.net, but when people turned against you instead you say you didn't do it.
i looked at massami-san and archangel_dream's fics and you sound like a person who makes a big deal about the number of reviews that people get for their fics. you make this review business sound like a competition of popularity or something and that's uber childish, just like that flame.
and you're mad at yomi/hades because he still doesn't believe (and i think i agree with him) that you weren't lying? so you wrote that flame because you saw yomi-san finally updated 'untitled' and you noticed the small number of reviews and you thought it was the perfect opportunity to get back at him.
how hard is it to just put in the fullstops and capitalize the first word? perhaps you just put in the 1 after your name and tried to pass it off as some 'anonymous' reviewer. if there really is such person (which i doubt), then why hasn't s/he flamed other hunter stories as well?
sorry to bring the dispute here, but i thought arguing with you at ff.net wasn't the best place.i guess your new fic is pretty popular now isn't it? you're very sad person because you retaliated against a person who was only trying to help.
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Post by azile on Sept 21, 2003 10:06:40 GMT -5
;D i should have been introduced to ffnet much earlier. i've been missing out on so much, but it is a pain to sift through the not so decent stories.
what kind of not so decent stories?
scripts that are clearly not intended to be play scripts but just some lazy person who didn't go to enough troubles to write a real fic.
unlikeable 'self-inserts'. i hope that my friend's self insert won't fall under the unlikeable category, but most of them tend to be.
the list grows daily but i find treasures here and there.
cheers to ff.net
azzy
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