Silva Sun
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Post by Silva Sun on Jul 27, 2003 5:20:48 GMT -5
Well, plenty of women think that God is female and the dark ages were PMS. ^_^
Another thing my friend and I found funny was: You can't kill, but if a robber comes into your home at night, kill him without hesitation.
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Post by Yumiko on Jul 27, 2003 5:42:04 GMT -5
HAAHAH!! that's so funny...and so TRUE!!! if God was a woman hahahaha
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Post by Grau Ookami on Jul 27, 2003 12:11:08 GMT -5
Some friends of mine actually think God could be female, when they were little anyway. I don't think God would really have a sex, but we alway refer to him as male because females have been considered inferior for so long that most people would have considered it an insult. Don't listen to a word I say though, since I'm not exactly the best Christian in the world. I've said this way too much any way, and since I have such stupid lousy arguments I'm sure it's pretty obvious. Anyway, I think I'll stop talking and leave the disgussing to someone better than I am.
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Post by Fibby on Jul 29, 2003 5:31:30 GMT -5
;D hahaha! dark ages! ahihihihi! PMS!!! nyahahahaha!! that is too funny! ;D
just wanted to share... again. ^_^; i read this in our Philippine legends. (hmmm. not quite sure if it is actually a legend though...) we actually have a Filipino version of the creation! sort of... ^^; it is quite similar to the greek version (is it greek? ^^; ) only it is longer... WAY LONGER. and also, in it, man and woman were made at the same time --- symbolizing equality. ^^ (but then, the woman was also the one who brought man to 'evil.' eve had her snake, the woman [whose name i have forgotten] had her eel. hehe, cute. ^^; )
I'd rather think God as genderless. ^^; Jesus, however, is undeniably male. history tells us that.
the image of God being the Father was already created by those who came before us so i don't see the point arguing with it. we all know that traditional ppl lived in those times, so the text must also be something they could relate to. they lived in a patriarchal society, and since God does 'fatherly' things, the image of Him as a Father became widely accepted among them. but times changed, as we could clearly see today. but since God was already established as "the Father," i don't think anything could (or should) be done.
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Post by Silva Sun on Jul 29, 2003 6:15:20 GMT -5
It's kind of funny. I think this topic is what brought it about.
I was sitting in assembelly (Arrgh can't spell). Our priest was leaving, so he did the whole 'bye' speech. ('It's been great, blahdeblahdeblah') except he was crapping on about God. You may be able to tell that I wasn't listening. Anyway, I sort of half turned around and saw everyone listening. It reminded me so much of, say, the Pagans (Not the best example, as I don't know much about them, but I think you get the idea) Taht I got thinking, if the catholic church can say that the Pagans were wrong, what's to say that we won't be praying to some different god in days to come. We're doing the same thing anyway. Sitting in the temple, listening to a religion lover crap on about belief and how we should follow blindly.
Or is this me being cynical?
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Post by Calliston on Aug 24, 2003 12:56:18 GMT -5
I belive that religion should not be followed blindly. If God really did love us, he'd want us to have a will of our own, wouldn't He?
And I really see nothing wrong with God being male.
But see, I'm not really Christian, I just think about it alot. But tell me, do you think God is perfect?
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Post by Fibby on Aug 26, 2003 0:54:58 GMT -5
yeah, but feminists sure do. blind faith is fundamentalism --- which isn't what my religion tells me to do. well, He is supposed to be perfect. i mean, if He isn't, why do we consider Him God in the first place? wait, which religion are you referring to? if you are referring to the catholic religion, that's my answer. but in mythology however... *ahem*
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Post by Silva Sun on Aug 26, 2003 3:58:47 GMT -5
Is that an insult to feminists, Fibby-san? *rolls up sleeve*
I really hate blind faith. I've blindly followed many things on the smaller scale and they've ended in ruin, so, theorectically, it will be the small on the larger scale.
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Post by Grau Ookami on Aug 26, 2003 9:44:17 GMT -5
I know this is kinda off topic, but I have nothing against feminists, well most of them. Though some of them hate men alot and think that women should be superior, which I don't agree with, but if they support true equality that's okay I guess. Anyway, I don't think anyone should follow anything blindly, especially religion. I have my own reasons for believing what I believe, and it has little to do with what the church, my parents, etc. say. It has more to do with some things I have experienced, and stuff, but no one wants to know about that.
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Post by Yumiko on Aug 31, 2003 6:49:05 GMT -5
Christianity... no offence is kinda anti-feminine.
Let's see.
It was mostly Eve's falut for taking the fruit...but are woman really that stupid?? Just because a snake told a woman to eat the fruit doesn't mean she's that stupid to take it! It would be more understandable if it was a man.
In the Creation thingy, Woman was created last, and is made just for Men so they don't get lonely *roll eyes*
And why the hell did God put the stupid tree in the first place!?!?! Why didn't he just hid it or something! Like plant it somewhere where it's not obvious!! Acutally I'm glad Eve took the fruit! If not we'll all be freezing our butt off and walking around naked!
*coughs* sorry, I had to rant for a bit ^^;;
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Post by Silva Sun on Aug 31, 2003 7:35:49 GMT -5
Christianity... no offence is kinda anti-feminine.
Well, Christianity has never really made any pretenses about thinking that Women are equal to men. At least, not pretenses that were automatically cast aside because it completely contradicts the rest of the bible.
You have to remember that the bible was written BY MEN. So, of course they're going to think that they're better.
I have my own bone to pick with the creation story. Women get their own punishment AND have to live with the male punishment as well. God's a chauvanistic bastard, if you ask me.
Acctually some people (women) are that stupid. There are plenty of examples. Can think of a hell of a lot from my school.
That comment about it being more likely that it was adam was very sexist. But you're probably right. Unless the snake acctually said, "Will increase your sex appeal and make you slimer." Then, I'd believe it. I hate being human.
I know. It's annoying that women were made from Adam's rib; something expendable and unnoticed.
The tree was syombolising temptation, and was in there for a plot device.
Before anyone gets on my back, Yes, I'm aware that the creation story is symbolic. That doesn't make me hate it any less.
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Post by Fibby on Sept 2, 2003 5:03:36 GMT -5
Silva: *sweatdrops* yeah, fundamentalism can be bad. never does anything good. except that it allows us to be "blissfully unaware." ^^; It was mostly Eve's falut for taking the fruit...but are woman really that stupid?? Just because a snake told a woman to eat the fruit doesn't mean she's that stupid to take it! It would be more understandable if it was a man. No offense or anything but i think this statement shows that you are also being unfairly discriminatory to males, just like the way most of them have always been discriminatory to us females. Yes, the creation story is a bit... ahem. Which is exactly why I preferred the Philippine version of it (the one I mentioned before) even though it was also the woman who brought man to evil. But then, if we follow the logic of attaching meaning to every excruciating detail in the creation story, this could also mean that males are actually weaker in will than women are. Or rather, they are weak-willed when in comes to women. ha. that's an interesting thought. But seriously, I don't think it would make any difference whether the one who ate the fruit first was a man or a woman. as you guys may have noticed, we tend to give in to temptation if no one else is around to remind us that it is bad. so if the situation is reversed, i think the outcome would still be the same. um, are you guys following my logic? ^^;
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Post by Yomi on Sept 2, 2003 7:38:12 GMT -5
Wow - I feel glad that I was subject to Buddhism and not Christianity. My overly simplistic interpretation of Buddhism is: you can do anything that doesn't hurt anyone else. It's an amazingly modern concept and internationalist as well - all beings are equal, therefore there is no division of race OR gender. And Buddha came up with these philosophies before Christ and his ilk came along, began a campaign of conversion and started wars under the name of religion. Strangely, the Chinese never had any of these religious wars because the Emperors were quick to separate state from religion. Go Emperors.
Personally, I think a lot of Christians are good people with good intentions. But as they say, the way to hell is often paved with good intentions - I despise evangelism and whenever I make a new asian friend who is Christian, they always seem to make me go to their Sunday Church. I stop being their friend - they just want to convert me, and that's utterly disgusting. Missionaries and evangelists who go into the poorer parts of China and the third world countries bearing food, clothing AND the bible are sick bastards. Stop trying to sell your religion to desperate people - or can't you make them see the good of your religion in any other way than to bribe them? Boo-boo to the governments for allowing the state of poverty in the first place for the missionaries to enter, but lets keep welfare a STATE matter and not a charitably religious one.
So yes to freedom of religion - I just wish the Christians would stay out of politics. They are only a sector of the population yet they seem to have incredible influence in laws and legislation - e.g. abortion, stem cells, war, gay marriages. Really - piss off. Your community can think what they will, as they are freely entitled to, but to impose those religious views on a largely aethiest community perverts the spirit of democracy.
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Post by Silva Sun on Sept 2, 2003 16:40:16 GMT -5
You know, Yomi, it not the Christians that do the damage. It's the Catholic Church. I only know two christians that are really religious out of about three hundred.
It's the catholic church that has a problem with absolutely everything. At least, it is here. Not quite sure what it's like anywhere else.
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Post by Fibby on Sept 2, 2003 19:43:48 GMT -5
About evangelization. I am well aware that the Catholic Church has their reasons for it, but I am quite incapable to explain them all to you guys now. ^^; But I do know this. Missionaries are actually supposed to respect the person's decision whether they want to believe in Christianity or not. Did your asian friends actually force you to go, Yomi-san? If they did, well that's just wrong. And I must say, the food and clothing aren't bribes, as you seem to think it is. ^^; Are you saying that you can't quite believe that they brought it out of the goodness of their hearts? The reason why they came there is to evangelize, true. But then, I don't think they came there to force those people to believe in Christianity, and most certainly not to bribe them. If those people do not want to believe, then it's okay. I'm quite sure those missionaries didn't come there and say, "Believe and we'll give you food! If not, STARVE!" or anything to that effect. ^^; I admit there are 'missionaries' that are subject to being rather *ahem* but please do not make generalizations.
Did you ever stop and think of the possibility that the reason why their objections are always heard when talking about such subjects (abortion, war, divorce, etc) is because there is a universal morality (or whatever you call it) governing most of us and their objections simply remind us of it? Don't tell me you guys think killing off people for pleasure or for personal gain is fine and dandy. If you do, well that's just sad.
Am I making sense to you guys? ^^;
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